Reverse Vesting Mechanism. Isn’t it a red flag??

Hello r/startups

I am curious about the legal standard in startup contracts called a reverse vesting mechanism. Why is this a norm? Why are so many founders okay with signing away such power in their venture, and doesn’t this lead to lots of founders getting kicked out of their own companies? Thanks so much!

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4-year founder vesting is dead

We recently invested in a team of co-founders who had voluntarily made their own vesting longer than four years. Four-year vesting is the industry standard. Why would someone voluntarily make it longer for themselves?

Their answer: “These days, with companies taking seven to 10 years to reach exit, it would make sense for founders to be on a similar schedule.”

This matters because the four-year co-founder vesting schedule frequently harms startup founders’ interests. Sometimes it damages their startup irreparably.

A growing number of founders are starting to realize this. I talked to quite a few about this over the last two years. Mostly, the “longer-than-four-years-vesting” founders share a similar story as well as logic. Almost always they are repeat, experienced founders. Often scarred by a co-founder separation in their prior startup, they are determined to set things up smarter in their next company.

Importantly, this group of founders assumes they are going to be the ones actually building the company. They created the company. They are the company. Nobody is forcing them out. I suspect founders who already believe this about their own startup will find this post most helpful.

Given the massive implications of co-founder vesting schedules, all startup founders should consider co-founder vesting lengths more carefully and then choose what makes sense for them. You make this decision around the time of incorporation but feel the effects over the lifetime of your company.

4-year vesting schedules are anachronistic

As far back as the 1980s, the standard startup vesting schedule was four or five years, with five being more prevalent on the East Coast. Nobody seems to remember a time it was anything different. The closest I’ve gotten to a logical answer on why it’s four years today stretches back to a pre-401(k) era, from before Reagan’s tax reforms in the ’80s. Prior to then, tax rules incentivized big company pension plans to have vesting periods of at least five years.

Startups didn’t offer traditional pension plans. Instead, startups offered employees stock, vesting over four years instead of five as a competitive move. That is all moot today. It has no relevance for startup founders in 2020.

More relevantly, time from founding to exit has gone from four years in 1999 to eight years in 2020. Yet founder vesting remains stuck at four. This is dangerous.

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Co-founding a startup with a vesting time employee.

Hello everyone.

I have decided to co-found a startup. The co-founder and I have agreed on 50-50 terms with proportional dilution. Now, we also agreed to give away some of our equity to our first employee. (He agreed on vesting time for 2+2years).

My question now is:
Do I do one contract with all three of us involved inside, or do I first do a contract with me and my-cofounder, and then another one with our employee?

2nd question: Can we consider our first employee as our co-founder as well? I'm not sure which title he should get inside our startup. Is it just an employee?

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Has anyone ever successfully implemented a milestones-based vesting schedule? Tell me your secrets

So I've found a CTO who will be working with just me (super early stage, founder style). He is interested in a milestones-based vesting schedule rather than a time-based one. I know, I know, there are lots of pitfalls of this type of vesting schedule, we are not 100% set on it, but I wanted to know if anyone has successfully implemented one of this kind? If so – how did you work out the milestones when you were so early stage? How did you address the milestones inevitably changing after a few months and years?

We're considering a milestones based schedule up until a certain point, maybe the first year or two, then changing to a time based vesting schedule. Does this sound ridiculous or unfeasible? Let me know what you think


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